Stopping upgrade

Podifer

pixel_player58928016 Don’t feel bad! I tried to keep my sawmills at a lower level for ages, but in the end I started going through the upgrades and keeping them maxed with my TH. I don’t know what level you are, but I found I needed to keep the sawmills upgraded to keep up with the wood demands - each of my warehouse upgrades costs over a million logs! And, of course there are the ship upgrades...

One level 11 a sawmill will produce 1,330 logs in 11 minutes or 3,990 logs in 33 minutes at 0.75 fish efficiency.

One of my sawmills - level 31 will produce 20,600 logs in 30 minutes at 0.77 fish efficiency.

The efficiency does get worse for several levels before it starts to come back down to something similar to earlier levels. I just wouldn’t be able to produce enough wood otherwise, and that’s despite making regular trips to level up Bamboo.

Having said all that, I’m level 201 and if you’re around a similar level or higher, and have found the secret to maintaining large wood reserves, I would love to know! 🙂

BrownDirtCowboy

Podifer Having said all that, I’m level 201 and if you’re around a similar level or higher, and have found the secret to maintaining large wood reserves, I would love to know!

Hi Podifer

Interesting that you ask that as I'm playing at exactly the same level as you. I'm not sure exactly what qualifies as "large reserves", but I currently have just over 5 million wood and average around 2.5 to 3 million in recent weeks. But my production buildings are all at lower levels than yours ...

I think it boils down to playing strategy and ship-buyimg strategy, as I rarely use materials to upgrade ships. I may start a separate thread on that topic, as it's a BIG discussion 🙂

I always hammer (captains, big ships, the works) event materials right from the start of each event, and I get most of my regualr materials from them. The first thing I do each time is decide on a strategy for the latest round of materials, considered against my current needs.

Currently, I toppped up on Wood and Fish as the Peanut Oil gives excellent returns on both - as well as Stone, which I don;t need right now. Peanuts give good returns for Gold Coin, which is my weakest resource just now - because I just spent loads upgrading my Town Hall and Main Dock (still in progress) with the Fishing Pier to come.

I keep these three at maximum level and upgrade the others as I see a bottleneck on the horizon.

For comparison, my buildings are at:
Warehouses all at L26
Lumber Mill L25
Saw Mills L23 (upgrading now) + L24

I'll post a full update in the 'Just to Compare Results' rather than make this post even longer ...

pixel_player58928016

Podifer thanks for the answer. I get what you try to say, but yes, I am a bit above that (lvl 227) and I managed my wood fine. Production at 2 sawmills, 1 lvl 11, the other kept at highest level possible, and keeping them producing as much as possible , and besides that I often trade goods in the market for wood. So far I kept up. In the long run, after a lot of upgrades indeed the production would be ok again, but never so efficient (1.33) again, and it will cost me A LOT to get it from 'excellent', to 'prety ok' again too, so yes, I do feel bad, and probably always will.
Hope this helps you manage your wood. But yes, wood is the thing that often is the slowest factor in upgrading stuff these days, but by trading in the market, and getting a little additional from short trips (10 minutes) it worked just fine.

If we would get unlimited supply of fish, indeed getting the highest return in wood, no matter how much fish it costs. But my fish is often running low, so yeah, I like to get the most out of the fish I can collect and that is by getting the most wood out of every 1 fish.

level 12 is not a good level for sawmill. I didn't even build the lumbermill for the reason it didn't return much wood for the fish spend in it, and so far I didn't run low on wood in a way it was holding me back.
Maybe I would eventually upgrade it anyway, but so far it wasn't needed, and therefor it is very bad timing that I now would be forced to spend a lot in upgrading it all the way, while I had a perfect production as it was, so cancelling an upgrade you didn't intend would REALY be a nice option in this game.

            
@Sail
orVie#24968 that's exactly what I'm doing. :)
But it doesn't solve my problem. ;)

SailorVie

I guess it all depends on how you define efficiency.
I'll interject a different perspective using the information provided above.

Hypothetical, but realistic scenario.
Let's say you can only update your seaport once every hour and a half, or 90 minutes. Wouldn't you rather get 20,600 wood every 90 minutes, instead of 1,330 every 90 minutes?

I've evaluated the statistics, and in one way or another... It is always improving in efficiency with each upgrade.
Ahoy

guguck15

Yes, the efficiency is improving with every upgrade. But it would take ages to get the upgrade costs of fish back from that.
The main reason for upgrading production building is imho the higher output amount.

SailorVie

http://seaporthelp.i-host.hu/eng/epuletek.php#sawmill

Fairy

I kept my sawmills at level 12 for a while for the same reason. But then I realized I used my lumber mill a lot since I didn't get enough wood from my small sawmills. And the ratios are a lot worse for the lumber mill🤔 So now I try to maximize my sawmills, so I don't need to use my lumber mill as much.

SailorVie

Need fish for upgrades?

Collect enough peanuts from the Plantation, and its production doubles.
Convert peanuts to oil at merchant.
Convert oil to fish at market, Wala! Lots of fish!

Happy upgrading !

Podifer

BrownDirtCowboy Interesting post! 🙂. I think our playing styles maybe slightly different, although we seem to keep parity with each other in levels. That’s why I find these posts interesting, there’s many different ways to achieve the same ends. I feel happiest when I have a ‘cushion’ of resources and start to worry if they drop too much. With the good Peanut Oil exchange, I currently have about 15 million logs.

My TH is now at level 26 (max) and have just finished upgrading all of my warehouses to 31 (max), so a bit higher than yours (12005 total capacity) and each warehouse upgrade now costs over a million in logs, but I like being able to set them all going at the same tim if I can. My Lumber Mill is maxed out at Level 9, and my Sawmills are currently on 31, but will go up when I feel happy about spending the fish, which is probably my ‘problem’ resource - currently have about 8 million, but would feel happier with more, although the Peanut Oil is helping out with that.

pixel_player58928016 I’m impressed you’re able to produce enough wood at your level, there’s no way I could keep them going enough for that, so much respect and admiration from me there! One question though, where are you getting the 1.33 efficiency number from? On the Seaport Help pages, fish to wood for Level 11 is listed at 0.75 and at Level 31 at 0.77 - so not a lot of difference. I must have missed something somewhere - where? EDIT - just found those figures on the Seaport Wiki pages - probably just a different way of saying the same thing as the Seaport Help pages? Wood/Fish as opposed to Fish/Wood (am I being dense?) Level 31 is listed as 1.30 there versus your 1.33.

And to get back to the point of your original post, I do think a 30 second undo timer for the building upgrades like we have with the ships would be a good idea. 👍

SailorVie

A Fishy Situation
. There appears to be a general consensus in this thread held by a few players, and possibly a multitude of others who have not posted. One player summed up this consensus best when he replied to me.....

. . If we would get unlimited supply of fish, indeed getting the highest return in wood, no matter how much fish it costs. But my fish is often running low, so yeah, I like to get the most out of the fish I can collect and that is by getting the most wood out of every 1 fish. . .

If you omit one factor, then I would agree with his statement a 100%. Yes, my fish supply runs short as well. The factor that would need to be omitted for me to agree with this statement above, is the factor of time.

Using the resources available to me, how much wood, or even fish can I acquire in the shortest amount of time, both now and in the future?? This is what is important to me.

He started off by saying, "If we would get unlimited supply of fish..." My response to that is "Uncle Seaport, aka Pixel Federation has granted you your wish as part of this birthday event." All you have to do, is collect the fish.

That is why i am on a frenzy to upgrade my sawmills, foundry, & quarry to max capacity Now, while the fish are so plentiful. So in the Future I can acquire other resources more quickly.

At least for me, TIME is a key factor.

Podifer

SailorVie I’m certainly feeling very fond of ‘Uncle Seaport’ and Peanut Oil - I’m gaining lots of lovely fish 🐟 🙂

BrownDirtCowboy

Podifer SailorVie

Dunfishin' ... currently 6 million+ which is uncharted territory for me 🙂

SailorVie

Podifer
BrownDirtCowboy

I now exceed 5 million fish.
But that won't last long.
In 30 minutes it's time to do upgrade the sawmills again.

My sawmills, foundry, & quarry, haven't produced in 3 days, they just keep going through one upgrade after another.

SailorVie

Fishy Situation

https://assets.adobe.com/link/26b18959-d783-43ff-516e-ddc1ead3d916

😀

Podifer

BrownDirtCowboy Impressed! You did that quickly. I’ve just started the last level for each achievement, and I’ve managed to amass over 9 million 🐠 - which is a novelty. I might try and get up to around 10 million, (to maintain my ‘cushion’) and then do the quarry and foundry upgrades.

SailorVie After the early discussion about Sawmill efficiency, I’ve discovered my efficiency level, both for them and the Lumber Mill has now plateaued, and I would now only increase quantity (at least for many levels) if I were to upgrade them. That takes the pressure off somewhat. I’ve got about 19 million logs, so only really need to upgrade as and when.

guguck15

I was very happy about gaining lots of fish, too. But now I'm stocking up my gold reserves as much as possible: I want to get the 4-star Titanic upgrade 'til the end of this year. And there are lots of other upgrades to be done as well.
I could progress faster, if I bought my first motor ship. The MV Empire Baron (190/443) would/will be my choice. But then I'll gain some xp levels and the Diesel II contracts would take a bit longer.

Fairy

SailorVie My sawmills, foundry, & quarry, haven't produced in 3 days, they just keep going through one upgrade after another.

Same here although I think it is longer than 3 days. And I don't use my large buildings either to save my fish for upgrades.
So I am depending heavily on peanut oil for upgrades, and it worked quite well until I bought Crossline. That ship almost fills my storage after one peanut trip whit the 250% captain, so together with other items in my barn I now have to sell a large part of my peanuts on market to partly empty my barn before I can trade for oil... Luxury problems I guess🤔

Sc00byUK

I have to laugh at you all. I can't finish Mr Diesel, because I've just run out of fish! 🙂

SailorVie

Sc00byUK
Now that is something I'm having trouble comprehending. In an event that allows you to acquire fish (level 160) at a rate of a million fish in 4 to 5 hours... How does one run out of fish?
... Not laughing. Yes, I am aware of the last task.

Hopefully with all this extra fish, I will be able to get my port upgraded to Maximum before the end of the event.

Sc00byUK

SailorVie Been filling my warehouses with one ship and trading peanuts for Gold, rather than Oil... /shrug

BrownDirtCowboy

Fairy

Fairy I now have to sell a large part of my peanuts on market to partly empty my barn before I can trade for oil

Hi Fairy

You can still use a high-value cargo captain (if you have one) to free up space (before cancelling) so you can trade. I now have a 1700× captain which allows me to clear almost 6000 peanuts when I want to send ships for oil.

@Sc00byUK ... because I've run out of fish!

Smacks of ineffishiency to me 🤣

SailorVie

Podifer (I’ve discovered my efficiency level, both for the sawmills and the Lumber Mill has now plateaued.)

You perked my interest.
I went to the help page to check the information for verification. If the information there is correct, at about level 30 the sawmills don't plummet, but they do stagnate at about a 3 fish to 4 wood ratio. The production time also stops rising when it reaches 30 minutes.

Thanks for cluing me in.
Any further upgrades to the sawmills beyond level 30 Will still produce more wood but at the same fish to wood ratio, in the same 30 minute time span.

I would agree that any further upgrades would only be advantagious if you are convinced your fish woes are over. That is of course, if the information on the help page is correct.

My sawmills are currently at level 23. My town Hall will only allow me to upgrade them to level 27.

I'll check out the lumber mill later.
Ahoy

Addendum
The lumber mill stagnates at about level 8.
Mine is at level 6

            
@Brow
nDirtCowboy#25028 *4 days ogo*
Dunfishin' ... currently 6 million+ which is uncharted territory for me ...

4 days in your wake... 
 Completed birthday event achievements...
....with over 15 million fish.

And, uh,... I'm [u]not[/u] *Dunfishin'*
**:-)**